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Meagan

Let's All Get OUT of Gold 2!!!

Who else is stuck in Gold 2 for more than 200 trades? Let's all get OUT of it together.... 

This is a place for Gold 2 support, whether it be tactics, strategies, trader psychology, questions, encouragement, ideas... any issue you have.... what is working for other Bees and what is not working that is holding you back in Gold 2? 

For me its the Average Win greater than the Average Loss. Whether I like it or not I am primarily a scalper and so I'm a very good loser and a very good Pip winner... but trades that go against me I close quickly and therefore I don't let the losers run... and therefore if they are merely a pullback and they return to the trend I've closed a trade for a loss that could have been a winner.... etc.... This is especially an issue for on the H charts. That's where I can win the 2:1 Reward to Risk ratios but that's also where the larger pullbacks happen. 

I'm trying to trade on longer timeframes but my drawdown is too great at this point so I can't allow the risk of longer TF pullbacks. 

Spreadsheets: I keep a spreadsheet of the last 100 wins and the last 100 losses and update it at the end of every trading session. This is very helpful because I know EXACTLY what I need to win or not lose at the beginning of every trading session. .... however that doesn't mean I can do what I need to do when the market is doing what I though it was doing....

Another thing I do is use the ATR and set the SL below the Support or above the Resistance but also greater than the ATR on the M5, M15 or H1 (depending on what chart I'm trading on). 

What other ideas do you have? 

Tue, 08/21/2018 - 10:17am
 
mike_smith

The Library tab worked for me most. Searching for strategy, understand Calendar,... like autopilot.

I recognized why I was looking around everywhere is because I forgot to stay in one place- the Library tab.

Everything is so clear now. I don't care about other peoples strategies and I just do my own thing now.
I don't feel confusion, worry, or loss of time because the Library is written to not allow room for it.

When you are ready to trust, the reward will be there.

 
Larna

Megan, I have been in gold 2 for 61 days. I wouldn't say I am stuck, but I had some big losses at the beginning and I am trying to dig myself out. I am also working on Ave win /losses and expectancy. My problem is trying to fix mistakes and then making it worse. And now I have lost the confidence In my trading. It's kind of a downward spiral.

Library 0.2 thanks for the suggestions. I will look at the Library again.

 
devrichards

At this time last year I was in Gold 1 and getting nowhere. I have always struggled with summer doldrums and the vicious whipsaws that become more common in the low volatility environment. A year ago I was losing more trades than I would have if I'd just used a coin toss to make trade decisions.

The more frustrated and impatient I got, the worse I did. For me the solution was to step back a while. I suspended my account (Apiary said they would let me restart at the same place in the Beeline when I came back, and they did) and I stopped trading for the winter. By the time I came back I had cash set aside just for the monthly fees and I had the attitude that it would just take how long it takes. I know that's not what an eager trader wants to hear. :)) But the bottom line is, anything you can do to free yourself from the pressure to move ahead fast, will have a positive impact on the quality of your trading decisions.

When I came back I didn't care how long it took to get funded. Got through Gold 1 in almost the minimum possible time, and Gold 2 in 42 days. I progressed faster when I stopped caring how fast I was going.

@Meagan, it sounds like you are doing a great job. I assume you are already trading minimum size, .01? If not, sizing down may help you manage your reaction to the drawdowns in longer trades. Trade small, is my first suggestion. Next, if it fits your budget, you might consider signing up for the Signals class here with Steve Perry for a month or two. He takes mostly swing trades on a multi-day scale and he's good at it. Watching him set up trades in the classes and following the signals he sends out might give you the perspective and confidence you need to start winning the longer trades.

 
Meagan

@Larna: the same thing happened to me. I have not been able to dig myself out of the deep hole I got into very quickly, but I realized its the last 100 wins and the last 100 losses that counts now. I made a spreadsheet that adds up and averages the last 100 wins and the last 100 losses and at the end of every trading session I update it. So I know EXACTLY what I need to do at the beginning of each trading session. I'm really good at taking out losers fast, probably too fast, and all those 1-3 pips losses really add up fast! I realized from the exercise that all the .8-3 pips wins also don't help me: they add up too slow and don't change the averages or the positive expectancy. This realization has made a difference since I am primarily a scalper. It's made me much more selective in the trades I take and helped me to let winners run longer when they are still winners. I still take out winners that turn into losers fast - and in a volatile ranging market that is the primary price action.

This also made a difference for me: I set targets on the H4 with the Fib, I confirm it on the H1 and enter and exit on either the M15 or the M5. I rarely look at the M1 anymore. Too much "noise" which I reacted to too fast in closing both losers and winners. I also use the microburst strategy with breakout trades more which has reduced the frequency of losses and increased the size of my winners as well.

@Library: I'm with you on that! I was influenced by long term traders that were trying to help with all sincerity, but really confused me in the end. I just can't bee like them. I had to throw out my original Sneaky Thief system that got me through Beeline to G2, and go back to basics, study, and figure out what is "my thing". Now I know its bare and pure price action: I have focused on learning price and market structure and its paying off. It was hard and took a lot of time but now when I am funded and moving up in account sizes I believe I will not struggle: I've done all that in G2.

@devricards: I laugh at your coin toss comment because I too thought that for a while and one day I took out a coin and flipped it for a trading session in my sandbox... but I didn't win more with a coin... the markets still were volatile, ranging, and taking out trades right and left, including trades that followed my rules/system except for the coin as the deciding factor.

I decided I needed new rules: clearer signals for entries and exits so I used the SAR for a while and practiced Todd's exercise in the Sandbox on the M1 where you place trades according to your rules and test your discipline. This is a GREAT exercise and since I'm a very disciplined person as a whole I'm good at following my rules.

Yes in a 1k account I would only use .01 lot size. Yes I stepped back for May, June, July and all I did was trade in my sandbox and study, study, study: I re-listened to old Apiary classes that were not in the Beeline which was interesting. I found a lot of good tips there that I had not caught in my fast trip from start to Gold 2. I took the time to really learn price action and market structure and I'm getting better and better at that and pulled an experimental Sim account back 580+ pips from drawdown to profit with .01 lot size trades only. If I can do it there I can do it in my Gold account but I'm just now starting to try again. In my new system I prefer clean simple charts with very few indicators and if I use indicators at all I know exactly why I'm using them and what my rules are with them. I'm just now getting back to Gold 2 to try to apply what I learned and get funded. I've been so close so many times! We'll see what happens....

I am a scalper whether I like it or not. I will never be a long term trader. My goal is to be trade like Shawn and Hak when I'm a Pro!

Thanks all for your thoughts. I started this chat to help support anyone feeling lost, alone, and challenged in Gold 2. Maybe bees don't want to admit they are stuck in G2?... It's interesting to me that 2 people who already achieved Gold 2 and are funded responded with their tips! Thanks! This is truly one of the great value propositions of the Apiary Bee community that we support each other in learning and share our long term goals no matter where we are in the journey.

 
PAWaver

Check my post -> https://apiaryfund.com/forum/gold-3-funded-72-days
Given some tips that will help you guys get out of GOLD 2.

 
chancellorsmail

I was stuck in Gold 2 for many many days, months. Then finally I had a + 9.67% winning day. But I had 50 winners and 50 losers so I was short by 1 requirement. Then Last night I had a few winners and went to bed and then more losers. Just happened to check and I saw ( to my suprise ) I was at Gold 3. I was funded before beline but my trading lacked so I went back to trading beeline/demo to improve my skills. I see I am improved but not sure if I am quite ready to go back to trading my funded account yet.

 
devrichards

We need a real time chat room where we can call out trades and help each other. I think the reason this thread has stayed quiet is that traders as a species are die hard individualists and getting us on the same page for 5 min is like herding cats.

I know Apiary has a Groups structure with pro mentoring but it's over $1k a year. The Signals class is a better option, imo, especially with the new tiered price levels. Still, I think it'd be fun and profitable (and free) to set up chat somewhere. There's a hundred platform options, I'm tempted to just pick one and set up a room. Say for members of Gold II and up, to keep things a little more focused on regular trading as opposed to the 'stunt trades' earlier in the Beeline. Anyone else up for trying this?

 
Steve_S

@Meagan - even though I just made Gold 2 this morning, I got here by scalping after watching all of the Trading Room videos from February, 2018 onward, as well as the Trader in the Street videos and whatever else I could find that showed Shawn trading.

Here are some things that I found that I think are really important.

I trade the 1 minute chart in correlation with the 5 minute chart, after (hopefully) finding that they are both trending in the same direction as the 1 hour chart. Of course, I've been wrong so many times. But thanks to fixing trades the way Shawn does, I've managed to wobble my way out and not take really substantial hits.

Before I even begin trading for the day I draw horizontal support and resistance lines on both the 1 minute and five minute charts. I go back as far as possible on the 1 minute chart.

What I mean by this is on the 1 minute chart I use 2500 bars. After I've drawn the support and resistance lines on that chart I switch (the same chart) to a 5 minute time frame (2500 bars) and draw support and resistance lines there. Then 15 minutes, 30 minutes, etc., all the way up to and including the daily chart. When I'm done I go back to 1 minute.

As a result my 1 minute chart is full of support and resistance lines.

I believe that the market has a memory. I am still amazed by how often the markets stall and reverse at these lines.

By the way, I draw support and resistance lines at the points where most of the real bodies and wicks coincide.

I also look for important patterns - head and shoulders, double tops, flags, pennants, etc., and try to align my trading with what the patterns imply may happen.

In his August 22, 2018 training Steve Perry gave us a link to a pdf that shows the patterns he uses. I can't find the URL for the pdf, but here's a link to the training (which is excellent, by the way, and may offer you more insight that might help you to be more accurate): The link to the pdf is closer to the end of the training than the beginning.

https://apiaryfund.com/training/discussion/overnight-trading-setup-92

Next, a while ago I found that I was taking profit too early. I recalled that both Nate and Shawn have said that they often close out a trade after it moves two or three bars.

Now I do the same (on the 1 minute chart). It requires patience and takes some getting used to, but it has really improved the win side of my average $ win/$ loss. And, of course, it puts more money into my account.

Finally, as a scalper following Shawn's wobble strategy, my individual $ loses are still generally greater than my $ wins, especially when the market moves against me and I have to to fix trades.

Since I've managed to usually have a win/loss ratio of 80%/20% or better, when it came time to qualify for maintaining a higher $ win/$ loss ratio in the past, I intentionally closed out trades when they were down 0.10 or 0.20 pips (I trade 0.01 lots). Although this brought my % win/% loss ratio down I had enough of a cushion to maintain the necessary ratio.

After every small loss I refreshed my beeline page and my stats to see if I did enough damage to get me where I wanted to go.

Of course I won't do this once I'm fully funded, but it is a means to an end.

This works for me. Hope it helps you, too.

 
rmcleantechservices

Thanks for that information. Very insightful. I have just entered Gold 1 and of course looking for any information to help me along the way. Good Luck to all

 
Shred_It_Ralf

Thanks PAWaver - Those are some great tips, that's a really excellent achievement, making it to Gold 3 in 72 days. Nicely done!

 
Meagan

Well I did it! I hit Gold 3 last night! What a rush of adrenalin to finally accomplish this goal!! :-)

Here's a few things I learned:
- I got mired in Gold 2 because I thought I had to scale back everything and the way to get through Gold 2 was to scalp. Nada. Not for me. Even though I'm a very good scalper and I take out bad trades quickly, usually < 5 pips, scalping well didn't give me the Average Wins> Average losses....2707 scalping trades later I finally admitted to myself I had better go learn longer term trading NOW, before being funded. Now is the time to do it, not after funding. So I took 4 months off and spent most of my time in my Sandbox focusing on price action, longer term charts, range trading, and finding a new system that works on longer timeframes. That was worth it.

- The answer for me was not in what is the system, indicators, or the rules: it was in peeling back the system to a minimalist view of tools that helps me see and interpret the price action. I had to let go of my beloved Sneaky Thief system because I couldn't see the price action through the 4 Moving Averages. In the end I sometimes, in a longer trending price cycle, use my version of a 2 EMA Sneaky Thief with the same rules and it does the same job. And I still use Sneaky Thief sometimes, but its no longer my one and only. (I like the EMA 21 and 38 together because it rides slightly below or above the price action so you can still see the candles.)

- I built a spreadsheet which summed and averaged the last 100 wins and the last 100 losses and at the end of every trading session I updated the spreadsheet. Within 3 weeks of doing this I flipped to G3. I knew every day exactly where I stood with wins relative to losses. This kept me from scalping too much and haphazard, unplanned trading. I planned EVERY trade. (Norma taught me that! Thanks Norma!) "There is always another trade" if you miss a good entry!

-For me, I was too good at taking out losers too fast. I had to learn when it was a normal pullback and it was okay to be in the negative while it pulled back, built up steam, and got ready to spring forward into my green direction.

- I learned a lot from Hak's microburst strategy which I implemented in my own way. Thanks Hak! I do more Buy/Sell Stop trades now and that reduced the # of times I was wrong. Once a trade set direction I could then enter in multiple sub positions.

I started this chat and I'll keep it going for anyone who needs support when they are soooo close and can see the Gold 3 finish line in sight! When you get to Gold 2 you are so close. Keep going! Bee confident in yourself!

We all help each other. I know that I achieved my Gold 3 goal because of all the help I received from fellow Bees and Apiary coaches. This is one of the things that I love most about Apiary and makes Apiary stand out as a business model! Thank you all Bees! And thank you Shawn and Nate for this great opportunity!

 
Rookie

Megan, super congratulations to you, you have worked hard for this achievement!

 
sheppo

Congrats Megan!

Gold 2 was difficult, no doubt. I keep seeing a lot of us reducing our indicators as we progress. Rex Johnson even told me way back in Silver 1 that their goal is to teach us less indicators and more price action.

The BIGGEST change I've been making that has helped me with less losing trades is to stop chasing and be patient for the good set ups. Huge difference in results and confidence and my equity curve is starting to look less like a bad downtrend in the EUR/USD!

 
cdowis

Here is a hack to get funded while you are still stuck in Gold 2 ===>

If you are deep underwater, I understand you can focus on improving your stats for the last 100 trades. They want to see improvement rather than forcing you to dig yourself out of a deep hole.

 
otalieb

I was stuck in Gold I for 9 months. I experienced the same issues everyone else mentioned above. But I think one of the main purposes of the exercises is to get you to be flexible in your trading and to take you a little bit out of your element. For instance, on the Gold Levels you are required to make a minimum amount of trades per week and sometimes they may be at times where your strategy may not be the most effective. So you may have to take a scalping strategy sometimes and take more of an approach from a swing trader sometimes and conversely, sometimes you will need to understand that taking a shorter-term strategy may be more effective in other markets (i.e. low volatility). But all around I didn't take a break I never lost confidence in my strategy I just learned from my mistakes and made improvements by using the great tools and resources available. Cheers and success to everyone who is funded and much future success.

 
martin.shela97

I was stuck in Gold 2 for a week up until I fixed my money management and trade management. All I did was to let my winners run loner and my losses run short.

 
Meagan

Thanks! I think everyone has contributed an important tip and mentioned something I've learned on this journey!

I love that we learn from each other. :-)

 
Larna

Meagan, congratulations on reaching Gold 3.

 
cousin.john

Looks like I'm having the same problems. I've been in gold 1 for a year. I'm still working on it.

 
alexteo468

@cousin.john,

Please do not be disheartened. Though I may be funded, I'm still a Stage 1 forex trader; i.e. keep on blowing up accounts (hitting 5% limit Stop Outs, 7 times since funded); Stage 2 being able to Breakeven; Stage 3 having positive ROI and Stage 4 being an expert.

To be honest, I've yet to achieve avg wins > avg losers during my beeline and even till now, because the 2% or 5% limit stop outs would have losses that are too big to be succumbed with our wins. I'd eventually have to artificially create 200 or more machine gun type trades to clean the slate by have many small losses and slowly create wins to achieve avg win > avg losses.

Happy Trading and Learning!

 
alexteo468

@cousin.john,

Please consider the following post from "Famous People" to see whether its of help to you:-

Article "Easy way to cut losses" by Malcolm Robinson

[I have successfully given up two unhelpful behaviors, one was smoking which I stopped 10 years ago; and the other was drinking alcohol, which I gave up last year. The question is why is it so difficult? I smoked from the age of about 12 until I was 25. During that time I made many attempts to quit, like most smokers, but it was far too difficult, so I never succeeded. That was until I read a book called "The Easy Way to Stop Smoking" by Allen Carr. Allen Carr's book got me to consider whether I actually enjoyed smoking and I discovered that I didn't at all.

Once I made this discovery I stopped smoking, I stopped smoking and have never had the desire to smoke again. It really was easy. The reason that I had found it so hard to quit before, was because I was under the illusion that I enjoyed smoking and that there were benefits to be had from smoking. So even though I was also aware of all the negatives of smoking I couldn't give up.

What has this got to do with trading? Well what I have learnt from my experiences of giving up smoking and drinking is that I only do things that I am motivated to do, i.e. I only do something because I think there is a benefit to me in doing it. As soon as I realize that there is in fact no benefit whatsoever, I stop, without a single thought.]

When we hit the 2% limit or 5% limit stop outs, the losses incurred are usually too big for our wins to be larger to achieve avg wins > avg losses. To be honest, throughout my beeline, I was unable to meet this requirement and had to resort to so call "game" the system by purposefully creating many small losses of 1 pips thereabout (100 for Gold 1 and 200 for Gold 2) using rapid fire type trades (setting SL=1 pip and TP=3 pips), so as to achieve a clean slate to start (of course this would incur no. of losses > no. of wins, which can be overcome with our high probability trades).

On second thought, this practice may be positive in that it actually train us to have the courage to incur and take losses. According to Brent Penfold, his advice is:

"Accept that trading is a losing game and that the best loser is the long term winner. It is easy to make a profit, but it is about how you handle your losses."

 
Ronconomics

Eliminating destructive behaviours. Now mindful of over exposure to specific currency positions; avoiding news as can't just rely on luck; selecting best set ups with confirmation and using pending orders; grossly simplified my process so it's absolutely consistent; tightening s/l at 1/2 R and taking acceptable profits despite initially ambitious targets. my expectancy is inching towards positive as wins are double losses. Now increasing win rate . Most importantly I'm scanning all pairs for my setups (capturing the middle of strong trends for as long as possible on H1 ideally and M5 time frames ) and optimising which pairs get my 10 positions. I'm determined to crack this and move forward with this stress free measured approach.

 
Ronconomics

...so I'm hoping it's a matter of time now.

 
Meagan

I've stopped setting huge targets and instead set multiple positions to run concurrently with more conservative Take Profit/Stop Losses (I don't add position until the first position is up 3-5 pips). So I like to start with TP 24 and SL 12 for example on H1 trades as a start... I can always move that out or in depending on price action. I like to start with TP 10 SL 5 on M1 or M5... and see if it moves in my favor. Then I add multiple .01 lots (this is still a 1k account) and monitor closely. I try to take out anything with no momentum in my direction at < 5 pips SL. I let the winners run but if it starts pulling back on me 2-4 pips I take profit while I can.

Jeff says "NEVER give up profit". So I take profit when I can (especially if its over 10 pips) and I can always reenter the trade.

The market has been painfully slow this week during my available times to trade but so far I've been able to maintain in G3 the AveW>AveL and Pos Expectancy stats on very little movement. It will get better when the market heats up again. In the past I would have taken bigger losses in no momentum price action. So far this has worked for me and I'm managing it VERY tight to not let my stats go bad before I can control it. Prevention is better than the recovery medicine.

Bee happy trading!

 
ror4psu

Meagan,

Congrats on getting funded. I knew you had it in you when we chatted before. Having a journal to track wins v. losses is a habit I got into doing in Silver and continue it to this day. I hope you continue also because it's a good thing. Again congrats.

John

 
Ronconomics

good work Meagan

 
Meagan

Thanks guys! You both taught me a few things a lot the way so thanks!!

 
Meagan

And I realize that once we're funded the journey and adventure is really just beginning!

 
Larna

Yes, here I am still in Gold 2, but I am improving. One of my many trading weaknesses is .... I can't leave well enough alone. I will have a good day with 100 pips profit and I can't just leave it and stop trading. I have to try for more pips, but then I end up losing most of them. I know this is not a bright idea, but yet I seem to repeat it. This morning I made 84 pips and I have stopped myself from trading by staying busy with other things, but it's driving me crazy. I think it is because I want to be funded so badly, that I can't stand to not be trying to make pips all day long. Anyone else with this problem. I am determined to not trade until tomorrow. I can do this.. I am so tempted to trade the news At 4:45 MST, but I will be strong.

 
ror4psu

Larna,

A habit I picked up getting through silver, and one I continue to this day, is when I've made a comfortable profit, I'll shut down the account that matters be it silver, gold or funded account. I advise all bees working through the beeline to get in this habit. Nothing is more frustrating than having accomplished a beeline task only to lose it by continuing to trade in that account. If I still have the itch to trade, which I'm like you, I'll go into one of my sim accounts and continue trading. I'd rather lose there and if I make more profit I don't beat myself up because it's not in an account that matters. I look at those profitable sim trades as confirmation I'm doing things right. Hope that helps

John

 
Rookie

John, I have to disagree, I think they are very good to use for testing after one has planed a new or variation of methodology and done a little back testing, go find out if it works. And I think they are especially good for wanna bee wobblers.

 
Larna

Thanks John (ror4psu), for your advice. Now, my second weakness is walking away after a losing day. I think this one is even harder. It was good for me to watch Nate walk away in the trading room after a losing day. I must follow his example.

 
devrichards

Staying in cash is a position. Not taking a trade is still trade management and if it's the right decision then you are still trading and doing it well. You can also still trade after a winning or losing day, just be sure to do it in an account that does not impact your funding path. Totally possible to have your cake and eat it too.

 
wanporn487

I hope soon

 
markpowers80

Do not forget that Apiary allows you to set up five demo trading accounts (besides the ones for Copper, Bronze, Silver and Gold I). You have lots of places to test (or revenge) trade that do not affect your main account!

Just log in to your Apiary web page, look at your name, which is in the top right corner of the screen. Just below that, click on "settings". Along the left edge of the screen now, you should see "Account, Personal, Billing, Alveo" and more. Click on "Alveo". This is where you can set up more demo trading accounts, or select one to switch to.

Best wishes!

 
scroogie

I'm stuck on GOLD 2 too! Average Win greater than the Average Loss is my Achilles heel as well as Great Expectations II: Maintain A Positive Trade Expectancy.
I jump in and out of "place at least 5 trades per week over 4 weeks" which is a pain but try and satisfy the above two conditions within the 5 trades. It isn't working to well and find myself stuck in a trading rut.

I'm on a pre-funded account and presently lowest the balance required. Certainly hard to get back up with full money management and applying strategy to everything, keeping stops tight and even placing add on trades. BUT GOLD 2 is kicking my butt.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

 
devrichards

Hi scroogle, you might already be doing this but it's worth a mention. One way to tweak your average losses downward is to open micro positions, .01 lots, and close them as soon as you are at a tiny loss. And as a general rule, if you have to bail out of a position at break even, it's better for your stats if you avoid taking tiny profits. The tiny losses are actually much more helpful.

Hang in there. It's a tough run but you'll make it. I had hair when I started Gold 2.

 
info_18

Is there a way to see Gold II requirements? I'm almost through Gold I so just curious.

And yes I also took a loooong break from Apiary and coming back have had a better perspective. So if struggling take a step back for a bit can always help.

 
mjr

Lots of traps to peel our way out of along the way - that's just the ropes of trading. It's not for the faint of heart. Be hearty and go all in. It will reveal itself to the hungry hearted learner who is willing to keep re-evaluating their trades and their mindset to grow.

 
sirricky344

mjr
if you go all in and market go against you it will hit -5% easily. How do you manage that.

 
robunited

sirricky344 "mjrif you go all in and market go against you it will hit -5% easily. How do you manage that."

Answer: Don't go 'All In'

->Risk/Money management!

 
Dorothy

When I was in Gold 1, I was stuck in the Average win > Average loss and I noticed in the stats where is shows
Trades Profits PIPs the center last column the "Total Profit was negative" and when I got that positive , my A W > A L was fixed.

So when I started Gold II I kept my sizes small and watched I did not have a loss greater than any win. and I did not have to fix the
A W > A L it was easier than fixing it. So far So Good 140 more trades to go Everything else is done.

 
Dorothy

When I was in Gold 1, I was stuck in the Average win > Average loss and I noticed in the stats where is shows
Trades Profits PIPs the center last column the "Total Profit was negative" and when I got that positive , my A W > A L was fixed.

So when I started Gold II I kept my sizes small and watched I did not have a loss greater than any win. and I did not have to fix the
A W > A L it was easier than fixing it. So far So Good 140 more trades to go Everything else is done.

 
Dorothy

When I was in Gold 1, I was stuck in the Average win > Average loss and I noticed in the stats where is shows
Trades Profits PIPs the center last column the "Total Profit was negative" and when I got that positive , my A W > A L was fixed.

So when I started Gold II I kept my sizes small and watched I did not have a loss greater than any win. and I did not have to fix the
A W > A L it was easier than fixing it. So far So Good 140 more trades to go Everything else is done.

 
Dorothy

When I was in Gold 1, I was stuck in the Average win > Average loss and I noticed in the stats where is shows
Trades Profits PIPs the center last column the "Total Profit was negative" and when I got that positive , my A W > A L was fixed.

So when I started Gold II I kept my sizes small and watched I did not have a loss greater than any win. and I did not have to fix the
A W > A L it was easier than fixing it. So far So Good 140 more trades to go Everything else is done.

 
Dorothy

When I was in Gold 1, I was stuck in the Average win > Average loss and I noticed in the stats where is shows
Trades Profits PIPs the center last column the "Total Profit was negative" and when I got that positive , my A W > A L was fixed.

So when I started Gold II I kept my sizes small and watched I did not have a loss greater than any win. and I did not have to fix the
A W > A L it was easier than fixing it. So far So Good 140 more trades to go Everything else is done.

 
Dorothy

When I was in Gold 1, I was stuck in the Average win > Average loss and I noticed in the stats where is shows
Trades Profits PIPs the center last column the "Total Profit was negative" and when I got that positive , my A W > A L was fixed.

So when I started Gold II I kept my sizes small and watched I did not have a loss greater than any win. and I did not have to fix the
A W > A L it was easier than fixing it. So far So Good 140 more trades to go Everything else is done.

 
Dorothy

When I was in Gold 1, I was stuck in the Average win > Average loss and I noticed in the stats where is shows
Trades Profits PIPs the center last column the "Total Profit was negative" and when I got that positive , my A W > A L was fixed.

So when I started Gold II I kept my sizes small and watched I did not have a loss greater than any win. and I did not have to fix the
A W > A L it was easier than fixing it. So far So Good 140 more trades to go Everything else is done.

 
Larna

Yes, I finally did it. I am out of Gold 2.

 
barros.fc.g10

Me too. Just made to Gold 2. Do I need to activate a new Alveo account?